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Saturday, May 2, 2015

[Pann] Collection of proof that Hwayoung wasn't bullied

Pann: The surprising real image of T-ara's ex-member Hwayoung

Run-down of the events leading to the 'determination tweets' that everyone claims Hwayoung was bullied by.


This is a picture of Hwayoung being supported by two men. Just before this picture was taken, she was walking just fine on her two legs until she got to the van waiting in front of the airport and reached for support.

Fans who were there to take pictures: What the?

T-ara and Ryu Hwayoung went to Japan and started rehearsals straight after for their concert. Hwayoung, however, said that her leg was hurting and couldn't participate in the rehearsals so she left to go rest in the hotel.

The choreography was then changed from 8 members -> 7 members. As fangirls should know, changing a choreography is huge work and doesn't happen frequently since it causes a revamp from start to finish... But T-ara started rehearsals again as 7 members. But what the...? Hwayoung, who supposedly hurt her leg, is where...? At the nail art shop~

Then T-ara got mad and started talking about determination on Twitter.

By the way, if you ever wondered how strong T-ara's own determinations were...

- From 2009 to 2012, they slept for as little as 2-3 hours a day for three straight years to complete all of their schedules, sleeping 30 minutes in travel time.


- In 2012, Jiyeon broke her nose after getting accidentally hit by a back dancer during her Japanese concert. She still finished her concert until the end and got diagnosed at a hospital before flying straight back to Korea to complete 'Music Bank' and another event. She then went back to Japan to finish her Japanese tour concerts.


- Jiyeon finally went back to Korea for surgery. But of course, T-ara back then was known for their killer schedules. Music Bank, Inkigayo, Music Core, Open Music Concert, Sponge, Gag Concert, Running Man, Olympic events, IAC, etc.. the list goes on and on. She only took a day off the day of her surgery and then went straight back into her schedules.

- October 10th, 2013 - No. 9's comeback stage. Jiyeon's knee started hurting during the M. Countdown pre-recording but she completed the pre-recording and went to the hospital to be diagnosed with synovitis. What that means is that water is being filled inside the kneecap and treatment requires that she not move or walk a lot. Walking causes pain.

Jiyeon, however, went straight to the live broadcast of M. Countdown just two hours after getting her shot and completed her entire choreography. This went on for an entire two months of schedules.

- January 1st, 2012 - Jiyeon fainted on Inkigayo. She had been running off of basically no sleep due to the 2011 Gayo Daejun pre-recording and live broadcast and fainted as soon as she finished her 'Cry Cry' stage on the Inkigayo New Year special.

- In 2014, Jiyeon was rushed to the emergency room for enteritis and acute indigestion only after she was waiting for T-ara's turn on Music Core. She was then discharged the very next day and went back to her schedules. She also apologized for not being able to perform on stage that day.

Etc, etc, there is no end to the determination of these girls. Compared to Hwayoung, it's like comparing the sky to the ground. No matter how injured they were, they completed their choreography. Hwayoung, however... all she had to do was sit on a chari and sing but she didn't even attend her concert because she was supposedly so hurt. The members had every right to make those determination tweets. Not that it makes T-ara right but there's a reason they directed those tweets at her.

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An interview by a rep who observed T-ara and Hwayoung said, "Hwayoung started getting a celebrity disease after she settled in with the group. She was cocky about being a celebrity and a T-ara member... the original members weren't like that. I wondered why a new member would be acting like that... and I think she wasn't bullied but the other members just reprimanded that type of behavior and the scandal blew up into what it is right now."

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The story about Hwayoung throwing her crutches on 'Music Bank' and refusing to perform on stage -> Some think it's just Kwang Soo's media play but journalists and Music Bank PDs testified to the story.


On top of that, a famous Hyomin picture fansite (she is close enough with Hyomin that she knows her number and follows all of T-ara's schedules) tweented that Hwayoung threw her crutches on July 30th, 2012 at 1:49 PM... CCM confirmed it the same day at 2:38 PM. Basically, fans knew that Hwayoung threw her crutches before the company announced it. It was not media play but fact. 

As observed by the fansite admin, Hwayoung's twin Hyoyoung had sent a text to T-ara's Ahreum saying, "Hwayoung isn't getting love all because of you!"

Right before the Music Bank live, Hyomin tried to bring Hwayoung and Ahreum together to get them to make up but Hwayoung got mad and threw her crutches and left.

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Lastly, the reactions of the people who have worked with T-ara to the scandal.

1. T-ara's make up artist: Anyone who knows will know.

2. T-ara's former manager: Koreans are the best when it comes to making up stories. You can put away your needless sense of justice.

3. T-ara's chief choreographer: You cannot call something you did not experience for yourself the truth. Spreading distorted versions of what happened as the truth is close to crime... How upsetting. What did these young friends do to deserve this? They cannot say that they're hurt even when they are, or that they're struggling.. What is the truth? Is it that important to us living our lives...? How has our society changed to this extent...

4. T-ara's main composer Ahn Young Min: Netizens should tell their families that they love them in the time they're writing these hateful comments.

5. T-ara's back dancer: People are so... mean...

6. Fashion stylist Han Jong Wan: Retweeted a tweet saying T-ara's Hwayoung wasn't bullied

7. T-ara's acting manager: also tweeted videos and articles that refuted the bullying claim.

8. Former backdancers: Scary how people can have this sheep mentality over something that they don't even know the truth about.

9. Other backdancers: The world is so scary... You're all going to be punished for making all of this up. It's not the truth, so stop!!

10. Hwayoung's close unni: I'll say this for the last time. From what I know, regarding kids fighting over whether Hwayoung was bullied or not, I think it is the netizens who made Hwayoung out to be the victim of bullying. To what extent is the question... There are things about the celebrity industry that non-stars will never understand....

11. Actor Ahn Jae Min's interview who was friends with Eunjung in school: wrote a lengthy Twitter post testifying to Eunjung not being a bully and supporting her. Eunjung then got in contact with him and asked why he did that for her when he didn't have to.

12. Suzy's interview where she talked about Jiyeon taking care of everyone around her and putting them before herself.

....and dozens of other interviews and words of support by those that know T-ara the best.

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1. [+356, -112] Sigh... imagine how frustrated the T-ara members must've felt

2. [+345, -82] Hwayoung is not normal, for real

3. [+284, -81] In the IAC case too when Hwayoung was talking to Sungjong, T-ara was playing table tennis. The umbrella being broken happened before that and T-ara tried to put it over together. Hwayoung deserved to be bullied.

4. [+172, -14] T-ara would've been such a successful group Hwayoung never joined them. All because of one wrong member, the entire group hit rock bottom and all of them lost their dreams;

5. [+171, -14] Posts like this have been coming up for several years now. People tried to clarify what happened but nobody wanted to listen. I'll be grateful if people took off their bias for a second and read through this.

6. [+163, -15] This pisses me off, how could this kid act like the victim and get all that praise this entire time

7. [+138, -8] All she had to do was sit on a chair and sing her part but she left because her leg hurt fully knowing that T-ara had been waiting for this important, first concert for so long. And then she went to a nail salon? B2ST's Kikwang hurt his leg but he sat on stage on a chair and completed all of his performances. What a comparison.

8. [+121, -10] Yeah, it was just some discord that turned into a bullying witch hunt..

9. [+115, -13] So glad that people are slowly starting to realize that Hwayoung was not bullied ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ

10. [+97, -14] Bullying = torturing someone consistently. What happened with T-ara was just a single instance of a fight within the group. When you're in a group of six friends and one of them does something that the rest of you thinks is ridiculous so you get into a fight over it, does that mean that one friend is being bullied? No, it's just a fight. They could've made up and moved on but netizens blew it up and there was no returning from that.

11. [+88, -2] Doesn't matter because to Koreans, once they exile someone, they don't care about them anymore
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444 comments:

  1. http://reactiongif.org/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/08/GIF-bored-boring-eating-meh-nom-nomming-Patrick-popcorn-spongebob-Unimpressed-whatever-Patrick-Starr-GIF.gif

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  2. damn.... this is some gone girl shit

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  3. But, there was a breakdown in leadership and they all voted to kick her out...much like another top tier group. LOL

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  4. If anyone is to blame it is the stupid CEO who threatened to boot and replace any member who wasn't trying hard enough even though they were all worked like dogs. A toxic environment for everyone and resulted into this.

    Good job, fuck face.

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  5. That was an awesome movie.
    Her planning all that and the follow through? Uhhh.

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  6. The comments are changing sides again. Lol.
    This is why they shouldn't pick sides to begin with if they do not know the truth.

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  7. The ending sucked ass.

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  8. CEO shoot on his own foot, such a poor management

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  9. ah, the good old injury circle jerk. instead of praising idols for still working even when they are broken and half dead, let's talk about how FUCKED UP all that shit is. don't turn it into something that should be seen as good.


    i don't really have an opinion on the "bullying" either way, and it's old news, but acting like hwayoung is the devil cause she didn't want to suffer and work while injured....da fuq, tbh. anyway everyone knows the true satan here is their CEO so why not go after him lol.

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  10. "Koreans are the best when it comes to making up stories. You can put away your needless sense of justice"
    He read my mind...

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  11. +_CLASSYBIRD_+*May 2, 2015 at 5:52 PM

    but why release all the evidence now??? what the hell have knetz been doing all this time when the girls got loads of hate for nothing :(

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  12. In some ways yes because we all wanted something crazy but in truth, it was a well written ending.
    We hated it because it was the opposite of what we expected.

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  13. [+356, -112] Sigh... imagine how frustrated the T-ara members must've felt

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  14. 모하메드 박May 2, 2015 at 5:53 PM

    Nobody voted to kick her out, the CEO himself removed her from the group. Don't try to stick that.

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  15. "Hwayoung deserved to be bullied." no.

    This could be one of those "better late than never" cases but this person is right
    11. [+88, -2] Doesn't matter because to Koreans, once they exile someone, they don't care about them anymore

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  16. Whatever happened between them, I still don't agree with how they put Hwayoung on blast with their tweets and made their whole fight a public deal. Not hating, just think they could have been more professional seeing as how it may not have even blown up to be so big if they had just tried to keep it private.

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  17. ...and this is what I've been trying to tell people all these years.

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  18. 모하메드 박May 2, 2015 at 5:54 PM

    Smh, finally

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  19. Because this is just a last ditch effort for them.
    When in hindsight, they should have addressed this in the beginning.


    I'm not at all convinced that this is all there is to it.
    Loads of info missing.
    We will never know the truth and T-Ara, its too late for them.
    They let it go too long without a proper explanation.

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  20. THE ARTICLE OWED TO T-ARA FOR THE LAST 3 YEARS

    Hope you sheep all feel proud of yourselves

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  21. yes.


    http://i.ytimg.com/vi/5JfBt_waVJc/hqdefault.jpg

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  22. green tea latteMay 2, 2015 at 5:54 PM

    wrong group

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  23. It was horrible because she's a crazy biotch and he stayed with her for some reason.

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  24. I'm forever confused what was in their CEO's minds putting a new member into already successful group.

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  25. +_CLASSYBIRD_+*May 2, 2015 at 5:55 PM

    i am not saying i 100% believe this but i am just wondering why the hell they are releasing this only now.....

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  26. All this does it make me hate CCM/MBK even more. None of the girls should have been been pushing themselves that hard during promotions and they could have handled the scandal differently. Shame the whole ordeal had to happen

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  27. That's what they would have us believe but no one has all the facts.
    The same thing can be said for any scandal.
    NO ONE REALLY HAS ALL THE FACTS.

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  28. 모하메드 박May 2, 2015 at 5:55 PM

    They could've been more professional, but their tweets to begin with, were about someone having determination to reach their dreams and lacking it (I believe they jabbed at the salon part) Won't help you. This is nowhere to be considered as "malicious bullying"

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  29. It's going to take T-ara suuuuch a long time to get back their popularity. They are a good group and didn't deserve the hate they got (not going to I hated them too) All this evidence would have helped make the situation better then and not now. There's no point anymore. They had articles with 50k upvotes of people blatantly hating without the basic facts. We will never know what happened but I think hating them now is just petty considering that there are other celebrities that do shit and still promote freely

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  30. disqus_QBwmIa4ChaMay 2, 2015 at 5:55 PM

    https://33.media.tumblr.com/b15f66d37bfdbad3edb226b882267aae/tumblr_mkdvjdKCCb1rglnhto1_500.gif

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  31. Its not gonna change anything. The damage has been done and its highly unlikely that T-ara can ever regain their Pre-Scandal Top-Tier Girl Group status. My Baby, Jungiee has suffered a lot and nothing can compensate the unfairness she has had to go through. Nonetheless, thanks for posting this article. Much appreciation.

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  32. not saying there was bullying happening but this doesn't prove it didn't happen. more like it's trying to justify it. the tone of this post is shady. i think hwayoung and t-ara both had equal responsibilities in what happened and no one is the evil one. except ccm, they are truly evil.

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  33. Apparently the group wasn't trying hard enough and he threatened to replace them with new members.

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  34. I'm glad to see posts like this still get posted, because T-ARA don't deserve the hate they get. Hopefully people will stop hating them soon.

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  35. now everyone is blaming hwayoung lmao

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  36. Trying to clarify a "scandal" that big at the time would've been buried in a heap of hate. Also defending t-ara at the time would've led to being called supporters of bullying. I think now that this issue has stopped being so relevant is the best time to try and inform the public of t-ara's side

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  37. there's definitely been international fans making posts like this since the scandal, so i'm sure korean fans have as well.

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  38. i can't digest popcorn anymore T^T

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  39. Actually the CEO has publicly stated that he would remove any member not pulling their weight and that was before the scandal.

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  40. commedesfuckdownMay 2, 2015 at 5:57 PM

    The book is even more insane

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  41. I blame the CEO but I feel like this is noise marketing for Eunjungs solo debut. No hate. Its just something that popped in my mind.

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  42. we can never tell if hwayoung really was bullied, but we can prove that all of the supposed evidence of it was bs tbh

    its still sad how everything was put out of context and t-ara's domestic popularity sort of just died

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  43. all i know from reading this article: jiyeon is sick af!

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  44. My point exactly.
    We did not get the ending we all wanted. LOL
    That's what makes it so guud.

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  45. junsu_is_my_religionMay 2, 2015 at 5:57 PM

    scary how people can have this sheep mentality over something that they don't even know the truth about.

    not only this case , but this comment is so true

    http://media.tumblr.com/00aa06dd981f618e498119ce9da17613/tumblr_inline_n3qtjvUo7t1scg256.gif

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  46. where you all have been??? it's been 3 years it's too late their image and popularity havr gone down so much

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  47. Fans tried back in 2012, but no one was listening. NB herself was mostly focusing on the negativity because it brought pageviews.


    These proofs have existed for years and years and are constantly brought up again and again. This is just the first time NB has translated one.

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  48. None of this is new, it's just the first time it's been posted on NB.

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  49. And that age difference too was....

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  50. I remember that.
    But, if they really cared for her or wait a tick, maybe they never did and they never helped her in their time of need seemingly making her not pull her weight but... ...but, we'll never everrrrrrrrrrr know....ever.

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  51. 모하메드 박May 2, 2015 at 5:59 PM

    The thing is, we don't know what happens behind closed doors, so we shouldn't try to put our own theories. However, what we can do, is prove that the supposed evidence is all false, which already happened thousand of times. People now need to move on, let T-ara live.

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  52. commedesfuckdownMay 2, 2015 at 5:59 PM

    Overall, I still feel so bad for Eunjung. As far as I know, she really worked her ass off to get the groups name out there. Hope her solo song is good

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  53. Wait so what was the rice cake thing for

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  54. +_CLASSYBIRD_+*May 2, 2015 at 5:59 PM

    i have too agree with your comments that the sad thing is that it's true late for the girls. people are just not going to easily believe all this.

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  55. Just bc Jiyeon worked through injuries doesn't mean by proxy Hwayoung also had to. This is the same at people saying Kai would be justified in bullying Tao bc SM forced him to work through injuries and Tao left.


    I still don't think Hwayoung was bullied, never did, however there was still a toxic atmosphere in T-ara targetted towards Hwayoung (aside from that Infinite Table Tennis thing, she was literally NEVER with them if other people were around) and that shows through the tweets they made about her. Unprofessional, point blank. CCM/MBK are a terrible company for promoting that kind of thing, but tbh T-ara also could've rose above it bc they're all going through the same pain.

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  56. T-ARA have constantly attested that they don't even usually know something as simple as 'who is the leader of the group' without hearing about it from the press first.


    KKS had a history of doing this.


    The group you're thinking of is SNSD, tbh.

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  57. Hwayoung :T-Ara you dont like me, right?

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  58. Amy Taemint LaneMay 2, 2015 at 6:00 PM

    This shows how two face Knetizens are. They defend men such as Dongmin but they will never forget mistakes of female artists. They think they are psychic and can judge actions of celebrities.

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  59. Exactly, the same amount of staff said opposite things about Hwayoung so lol I don't trust any of that.

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  60. 모하메드 박May 2, 2015 at 6:00 PM

    A stance? read your post again, you made it seem like a fact lmao.

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  61. all the "evidence" was basically taken out of context to make it seem like hwayoung was bullied. i'm not saying she definitely wasn't bullied but it really doesn't seem like she was. i'm not even a t-ara fan beyond liking their catchy songs but i hate that they've had to endure such vitriol.

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  62. She's only Jiyeon 1 year younger

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  63. These evidence were being mentioned when the scandal happened. But most people ignore these type of articles at that time as they already chose the side.

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  64. Forgiving a sexist and rapist man: 2 months

    Forgiving a group because of a fake scandal: 3 years
    The reality of the South Korea

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  65. It was a game show on Japanese television.


    They also forced Jiyeon to eat natto.

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  66. Okay, I acknowledge that Hwayoung choosing not to attend their concert was unprofessional but can we not glorify the horrible schedules the other members were under.Jiyeon's saga is horrific, especially her dancing on an injured kneecap, that could fuck her up for years afterwards.You shouldn't be martyring them for enduring that, it should horrify you.

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  67. +_CLASSYBIRD_+*May 2, 2015 at 6:02 PM

    this just says Knetz will just believe in the infromation they want to believe in even if they is no proper proof to it.

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  68. it was dangerous but not bullying

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  69. deep down we all know that netizen knew the truth from the beginning

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  70. I never said it was, but by tweeting all that in the first place it made it quite obvious they were ganging up on Hwayoung (whether she did wrong or not)..idk I just don't think taking it to twitter was the smartest thing to do. I'm sure group members fight and make up all the time, but they keep it between themselves, because it's unprofessional to try and involve the public and fans in your personal drama imo.

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  71. Even if you weren't being honest about the other group, you are correct.


    That is such a cop-out in some respects. A group should be a group should be a team in every sense of the word unless, they just did not like her at all from the beginning.
    Therein lies the problem.
    She was never fully embraced therefore never fully integrated, therefore always an outsider therefore, always fending for herself when she was suppose to be part of a great team.
    Alas, that was not the case. Pity, they could have been very explosive.

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  72. The entire environment breeds toxicity. CEO threatening to replace them, power tripping, their horrific schedules meaning everyone's overworked and exhausted.

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  73. he's a mindfucker. who ROTATES leaders too? pitting members against each other is why discords happen. it's always threats with him.

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  74. TOO LATE MOTHERFUCKERS

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  75. No luv, that is your interpretation.
    Everything written in NB is all a side of a story or opinion.
    Nothing is fact.
    You are just misinterpreting it. Cheers.

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  76. +_CLASSYBIRD_+*May 2, 2015 at 6:04 PM

    well it's already to late for TAra anyways. poor them their songs were catchy & good.

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  77. That was stated during Areum and Dani's addition. For Hwayoung, there was never really a clear reason (or at least one that I can remember). Perhaps just to add further diversity with an additional rapper.

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  78. 모하메드 박May 2, 2015 at 6:04 PM

    I don't get when people use the word "Bullying" so lightly. Bullying is serious matter and it is really beyond a member discord or a tweet about determination. I mean, i've been to places where i just couldn't get along nor work with someone, does that mean me or that person were bullied?


    I think it's at best called a fight between members, the fake evidence made it seem like bullying, but after the evidence turned out to be bullshit, how could you even stick the word "bullying" here.

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  79. He tried to make T-ara the next SNSD by adding new members. Dani was also supposed to join them, that would've have added up to nine girls. Basically, his greed made the group's image do down the drain.

    But this ain't a fact, only speculations.


    source: rumors, gossip

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  80. i never really believed she was bullied..hope this post get more known.

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  81. 모하메드 박May 2, 2015 at 6:05 PM

    As long as i've been a fan of T-ara there has always been rumor going between fans (pre-hwayoung) That KKS was aiming to make them a 9-member girlgroup.

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  82. I think there is some members which i though one of them hwayoung are lazy and ceo tried to get rid of them peacefully by replacing them with new members

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  83. 3. [+284, -81] In the IAC case too when Hwayoung was talking to
    Sungjong, T-ara was playing table tennis. The umbrella being broken
    happened before that and T-ara tried to put it over together. Hwayoung
    deserved to be bullied.

    I really disagree with this because no one deserves to be bullied, ever. It's a moot point in this case because Hwayoung wasn't bullied. The real fault will forever be with Kim Kwang Soo, though, for adding her in the first place. T-Ara was a successful group and they didn't need her. She was a terrible rapper and added nothing to the group.
    And Netizen #4 - they've hardly hit rock bottom. They're making bank in China.

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  84. I think its too late to try to reverse the public general sentiment towards them. Their mistake was to take their internal issues to Twitter and that is going to follow them for the rest of their careers. The witch hunt was ridiculous though.


    Its a shame that they will never get back to their previous status as a top girl group but they are not doing bad either so I wish them the best.

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  85. 8. Former backdancers: Scary how people can have this sheep mentality over something that they don't even know the truth about.

    YES, it's sad how people are so easily influenced by what others say and believe everything like???????

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  86. disqus_QBwmIa4ChaMay 2, 2015 at 6:06 PM

    http://i.imgur.com/mfNsH.gif

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  87. Exactly. They've already made up their minds, even if what they believe isn't the truth, they'll still enforce those beliefs as if they are.

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  88. Either way none of this shit would've happened if Kim Kwang Soo didn't screw around by adding members to a well established group that was already popular. Talk about trying to fix what aint broke

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  89. It is not just korean... All people are just so fast to judge and believe worse scenes

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  90. They still are. But they ain't as popular now as they used to be.
    Number nine and What should I do? are jams.

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  91. I think the intention was always for T-ara to have more members, but people kept leaving so...


    Also CCM wanted Hyoyoung, but the parents said they'd have to take both as Hwayoung wanted to become an actress anyways (similar to Jessica + Krystal). And then it was join the new group or join T-ara, Hyoyoung didn't want to join T-ara so Hwayoung joined.

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  92. princessjinyoungMay 2, 2015 at 6:08 PM

    i understand that its difficult taking in the fact that you have to accept a new member when you've been working hard for so many years. its also terrible to make someone an outcast. but its also important to keep in mind that all the videos and "evidence" that was passed around that "confirmed' bullying issues was created by netizens, and most likely people who didn't like tara in the first place. it sucks being a celebrity and having people you dont even know taking things out of context and making thousands of people hate you for something completely blown up. smh

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  93. Where u their with the another top tier group or something?

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  94. Well said.


    They don't call him KING KONG SHIT for nothing.

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  95. Yes. Good. This is the kind of post I want to see about T-ara. :p

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  96. It doesn't matter with the timing. People published articles like this at that time in response to the "proof" as well. The public don't care about these clarification because they like drama.

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  97. 모하메드 박May 2, 2015 at 6:11 PM

    No, i agree with you. Like i could compare them with normal people like us that would go to twitter and vent about our day or someone that is annoying us, but for a top tier group that is under the public's eyes, they should've known better. All in all, they're people like us and they do stuff all humans do.

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  98. disqus_QBwmIa4ChaMay 2, 2015 at 6:11 PM

    http://media.giphy.com/media/ZXb3Y6n8d3woU/giphy.gif

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  99. And this is how you can appreciate the hypocrisy of both, i-netz and k-netz~

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  100. They were pretty explosive, honestly. T-ARA has a legacy and their music won't be easily forgotten even when they're done and disbanded.


    Hwayoung was added to a group that had already achieved success without her, and had gone through very little training-- as a matter of fact, I recall reading that she didn't even audition but rather got into the company because her sister was already in it and Hwayoung was flunking out of school and needed something to do.


    T-ARA did try. There's plenty of evidence of them trying to work together, they played around on Twitter a lot, and Hwayoung and Jiyeon were close, same-age friends. Eunjung and Hwayoung also seemed to get along really well.


    But T-ARA are, forgive the trope, not here to make friends. They never tried to convince us that they are best of friends- they just showed their working synergy. They never fed us a 'bond.'


    Also, Hwayoung herself has said that she contributed to the problem of it being hard to accept her as a member, because she didn't try to fit in or join with them. She put herself on the sidelines often. There's only so much you can blame T-ARA for. It doesn't matter how much they tried if she wasn't receptive.


    It's pretty clear to me that you're not fully informed. Best to avoid making assumptions.

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  101. Technically all of the hate that T-ara had before was because of the poor management on these scandal by CCM and the decision to kick Hwayoung out.

    "Hwayoung deserved to be bullied."



    NO ONE deserves to be bullied.

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  102. T-ara has so many hit songs, he should've kept the original members. The whole "you're not doing good enough, I'm gonna replace you," idea was so dumb. Now T-ara's reputation is literally ruined and nothing can help them.

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  103. maybe something similar to a sponsor?

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  104. it's all goes down to the damned CEO, what a stupid man.
    i hope they recover their career and comeback stronger than ever, they've suffered a lot, enough.

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  105. Well said, like I said in other entries, all we have are our point of views and you yourself do not have all the facts unless you were there behind closed doors and sessions.


    I don't know you may have but that is all I have are my assumptions, nothing is fact and even if I scour the internet, it is the internet where nothing is what it seems, I'll never have all the facts.


    But, hey, you seem to have all of it.
    You know all about T-Ara and your statements are far from mine.
    You are the one most people will believe.
    Lovely conversation, thanks.

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  106. Ah no I thought you were talking about Hwayoung

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  107. Knets have been bullying T-ara all these years

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  108. Another Lee Tae Im case tsk tsk

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  109. lol and now hwayoung deserved to be bullied? these netizens are trash. Anyways i will always believe in my determination queens <3

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  110. that's the only sure fact in this whole situation

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  111. True, like I'm no SNSD stan so I'm not clear on this but I believe I've never heard of them venting publicly on social media (except maybe Taeyeon, and even then it was quite subtle/passive aggressive)? That's probably why their good image lasted so long (well before the whole Jessica thing). There are 9 of them and there's bound to have been an uncountable number of petty fights and fallouts and politics over the years... If they had tweeted stuff like that the public might've misinterpreted their tweets and hated on them to no end.

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  112. Well Hwayoung wasn't confirmed as bullied without fault- she had faults but yeah it was brought up a while ago that she had shown little efforts to improving her teamwork mindset, but then again, T-ara should've kept it private. Queens were broken hard thanks to this.

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  113. where is the source for this article?

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  114. This case was way before LTI/Yewon case.

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  115. 5 vs 1, it's still a degree of bullying. i don't think it was ever physical but just fucking with her. the subtweeting and being ~subliminal~ is some catty bullshit. what do you expect would happen when they see each other in real life? i think they would still ignore/exclude her. i know it's not as serious as knetz believed but they still ganged up and did some catty stuff.

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  116. a t-ara article that isnt bashing them? looks like nb caught feelings when knets were going in on her lol. usually she would skip over these.

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  117. But the girls were also really stupid about these determination tweets. Ugh. Thank god Qri is smart and didnt do sns

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  118. Its right there luv.
    Right there in NB's thing. LOL

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  119. How much attention is this post receiving ? :O

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  120. i hope a lot of attention

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  121. Absolutely agree. It wasn't just unprofessional but spiteful and mean.

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  122. 모하메드 박May 2, 2015 at 6:22 PM

    Let's hope alooooot of attention

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  123. just why they put another nugu member first when they dont need it. it's like suddenly they put rookies to join EXO, what the hell, the CEO ruin everything

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  124. wait what? when has taeyeon been passive-aggressive (minus the whole baekyeon thing)?

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  125. Off with her head!!!

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  126. Maybe someone of their company posted this lol but i believe t-ara didnt bully hwayoung. It's funny how netizens are finally realizing the truth. They should check their sources before hating.

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  127. I would still consider it cyber bullying - a bunch of ppl spreading negativity abt one girl for the world to see

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  128. I thought the comment section would fill with the negative comments abt CCM's media play for elsie's debut, but surprisingly it wasnt. Woww...

    If its true, hwayoung's in trouble, look what she's done to the girls' careers tsk tsk

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  129. I know as many facts as there are available to international fans. None of the stuff posted here to news to me, haha.


    But it's still entirely unfair to T-ARA to assume they're guilty until proven innocent when almost everyone else in the universe gets to enjoy the benefit of being innocent until proven guilty.

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  130. 모하메드 박May 2, 2015 at 6:24 PM

    What kind of negativity was there in their tweets? Please do tell me, because, it's obvious the tweets were about her, but where was the spreading negativity in "Let's have more determination" "Let's work even harder together" and more.

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  131. i remember when those staff comments came out and no one even bothered to acknowledge them because they were glued to the t-ara hate train


    i've read the tweets t-ara posted over a hundred times and i still don't get what was so bad about them or how they even implied hwayoung was getting bullied. and poor areum had nothing to do with anything and got axed too in exchange for a nonexistent solo career

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  132. They were getting at her with those comments.

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  133. 모하메드 박May 2, 2015 at 6:25 PM

    I'm still here, almost 4 years later, wondering what was bad about their tweets.

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  134. disqus_QBwmIa4ChaMay 2, 2015 at 6:26 PM

    http://gifmansion.com/GM/uploads/2012/03/sheeeep.gif

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  135. i literally cant find a link to the original pann article. is it at the end of the post?

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  136. T-ara members should've sued the company and left, just like Block B and B.A.P did. CCM smells hella fishy.

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  137. 모하메드 박May 2, 2015 at 6:27 PM

    Like i said, many times, it's obvious they were taking a jab at her salon incident. However, the tweets are not as bad, if even bad at all, as some of you try to paint them as. They were all connected to the situation that happened prior but the context of their tweets weren't "blasting" nor "bullying".

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  138. Well their reputation now has a little bit less than forever to heal. Only a tiny bit.

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  139. It just wasn't smart at all for them to tweet that stuff. Even if they were frustrated it only backfired on them. They could have handled it better behind the scenes.

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  140. I think just the fact that they were embarrassing her in public with those tweets is negative in itself. Plus, almost all of their tweets had a sarcastic feel to them. "The differences in determination ^^" , they were making it obvious they were taking a jab at her.

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  141. I can't really remember but I think she got hate for posting a passive aggressive comment on Yuri's instagram, and for uploading sly jabs at Jessica (even before the Jessica scandal I think?). You can probably find the posts on NB itself. *Not trying to spread hate, just repeating what I read.*

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  142. It's so frustrating. All of these had been used to defend Tara when the incident first erupted but no one cared. till this day people still try to argue that there was plenty of "proof" or use their tweets against them. It was unprofessional but does one mistake cancel out years worth of professionalism? Everyone was so quick to believe the anonymous backup dancer but ignore the list of staff and friends that defended them. I get that they can never recover but it's heartbreaking seeing people still try to cling to false evidence to justify destroying these girl's dreams

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  143. 🍒 cherry lipMay 2, 2015 at 6:33 PM

    Idk I cringed while reading Jiyeon's part. What in the world, she suffered badly

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  144. [+88, -2] Doesn't matter because to Koreans, once they exile someone, they don't care about them anymore


    Yes netizens. You did it. Please give yourselves a roubd of applause.

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  145. they should've never added new members to T-ara

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  146. -&gt; biased netizen &lt;-May 2, 2015 at 6:36 PM

    thank you for this article. i started to like t-ara after the scandal and it made me upset how ppl were being so closed minded. yeah, those tweets were stupid on t-ara's part but still. they basically apologized 19324894 times for what? being mad at a "lazy" member and stupidly tweeting about it.

    lmao at the previous article with netizens calling NB an anti-Korean site when they wish people like t-ara dead while cursing out kwanghee because they want a sexist on a variety show.

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  147. Girl group aint Boy group....

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  148. read between the lines. i'm surprised you don't think their tweets aren't negative in nature. they're being subliminal, they're saying hwayoung has no determination and is not working hard. HY having no determination is one issue, being catty and spiteful is another.

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  149. -&gt; biased netizen &lt;-May 2, 2015 at 6:37 PM

    same, i had no idea she was suffering so much, she is such a bright girl.

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  150. LittlePorkChopCornerPocketMay 2, 2015 at 6:37 PM

    I don't understand why are people even still talking about this. There was no proof she was being bullied in the first place. That so called "evidence" are a bunch of bullshit manipulated pictures,gifs and video clips taken out of context with sad music and bullshit words created by haters. Of course you have your zipperhead netizens adding feul to the fire like always.

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  151. So Why did Jiwon and the other girls leave t-ara? T-ara originally debuted as 5 but two of them left which one of them was Jiwon from Spica. Can someone explain me why those two left? I remember the other girl debuted as a duo on Girlsday's agency but no idea what happened to her after debut

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  152. And most of them haven't even forgiven T-ara yet judging by the number of upvotes... Or they are just turning a blind eye to the truth sadly.

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  153. In the beginning of the scandal I actually thought Hwayoung wasn't innocent because couple months before her twin sister Hyoyoung was in a rumor that she and another girl (forgot her name) bullied one of their members Soomi which resulted in her leaving the group. There was a lot of evidence that Soomi was bullied. After learning from many scandals I know now it was unfair judgement to have a negative view of Hwayoung just cause of her twin sister. Bascially what I'm trying to say is we actually don't know what happen. I just think it was a misunderstanding and miscommunication. I just hope I see the day T-Ara can perform again without numerous criticisms and Hwayoung the same with these kind of reports coming out.

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  154. -&gt; biased netizen &lt;-May 2, 2015 at 6:39 PM

    yeah and the entire block b's ceo committing suicide was...not a possibility t-ara would want (i'm assuming).

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  155. 모하메드 박May 2, 2015 at 6:39 PM

    The ceo removed them also, for idk what reason, but the 2 girls are still close friends with T-ara members, even Ahreum is still good friends with T-ara.

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  156. I find it amazing that to this day Tara is still trying and striving for their dream. Honestly if it was me and I saw such a bleak future for the group, I would've given up already but they're still putting out songs, going solo despite knowing the hate and negativity they'd get.

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  157. those who brought t ara gifts during the peak of their scandal (diadem forums) deserve an award
    http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.ca/2013/10/t-ara-enjoys-their-fan-gifted-lunches.html

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  158. IMO they should've stay with 7 members

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  159. Yep including that imposter who also gave fake news about sewol ferry and many other

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  160. I'll try clearing it up for you, in case you get hate, it was about a picture and it involving the number 8 & somehow taeyeon was tied to it, so people assumed it was a dig at ot9, but then fans clarified and pointed out that it was kind of a reach.

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  161. I always thought he was aiming to make them a rotational group like After School? I thought that the age of the older girls was probably on his mind (not that this is right) and that he wanted t-ara to keep going, picking up members and dropping them as they went? hmm idk

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  162. They changed their concept from ballad group to dance group so Jiae and Jiwon's style didnot suit well with the new concept. Jiwon is still one of Eunjung's close friends and best unnie for Jiyeon and Hyomin.

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  163. taeyeon_ss: You two long legs are pretty without having to stretch out your legs ㅎㅎ I miss you kids

    That's the comment Taeyeon left on Yuri's instagram. Taeyeon left that comment two years before her scandal so haters picked that comment to make it seem like a vicious sly comment when it was nothing at all. And that post on instagram that made people make it seem like it was directed to Jessica are reaching for their hate. Taeyeon can post about a wall and people will still find a way to make that into controversy.

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  164. You are right but it is just coming to light right now ( if its proved that she was infact not bullied)

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  165. agree...people should have looked at what trash that CEO is. But the way the company handled and the girls twitter fiasco made the whole thing worse. It's really horrible at how rumors can destroy people's career.

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  166. i thinks its because sponsor/money, before this scandal blow up the ceo want to put one more member dani (?), and said he found talent on street bla bla bla, ridicolous when she has no talent at all and come from rich background (if i am not wrong and this is just my opinion).

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  167. yay....let's remove blame from the powerless and put it at the door of the powerful.....what a splendid idea

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  168. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingMay 2, 2015 at 6:48 PM

    Honestly the whole Hwayoung vs. Tara thing is so dumb. A lot of people put the blame on Hwayoung and paint her to be evil whereas a lot of other people do that to T-ara. We honestly don't know how they are with each other because we, the general public, don't know them on a personal level. The only part that should be criticized and acknowledged is their unprofessional actions that took place.

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  169. it was under his 'horrible management' that they made as much money as they did, got to where they were and recovered their popularity to an extent.

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  170. if you thinks about one single line for boram and qri and yes its true.

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  171. When she was kicked off from har first leading role drama, hwayoung tweeted for the first time after the scandal and expressed she felt sorry for eunjung and stated how absurd all the made up stories that she was bullied and said it was a misunderstanding. But people wanted still to believe she was bullied thats why knetz inetz were making up stories how she was forced to say that lol

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  172. 🍒 cherry lipMay 2, 2015 at 6:50 PM

    Yes. Tbh I didn't really follow T-ara but when the scandal surfaced I knew I was sad. I liked Eunjung and Jiyeon. I really love their song Apple is A and Bo Beep (if that's what it's called). I think it's kind of, regret, that all these are revealed when they've gone through so many things already
    ; - ;

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  173. source http://www.soompi.com/2012/08/29/ex-t-ara-member-hwayoung-speaks-on-eunjung/

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  174. People wanted to believe T-ara bullied HY but it amaze me how no one talk about that tweet she even give the link to buy sexy love

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  175. no wonder k netz think nb is anti korean

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  176. And to think how T-ara's popularity went down because of hwayoung :/ I really think fame got to hwayoung's head and making her become ignorant.

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  177. A positive T-ARA post on NB?! What is 2015?

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  178. The systematic bullying of T-ara by fucking idiotic netizens. As I have mentioned in a previous post, netizens weild too much power over celebrities and consistently misuse it. Breakdown of their so-called "facts" http://hyotheleader.tumblr.com/post/30319546274/rumor-vs-fact-t-ara-bullying-case-full

    Also, look up HONG GA HYE. Kleptomaniac netizen who took part in ruining T-ara and also pretended to be a reporter at the Sewol Ferry incident.

    PS. NB-sama, not the best choice of article to translate after your Corean brethren called you out for running a pro-Japanese site. But I commend you for flying that red dot flag high. Domo arigatou gozaimasu.

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  179. I wouldn't doubt it since Jiyeon brought it up a little while ago. it seems like Suzy is as well improving her team member image, then Yewon's scandal comments brought up T-ara to compare/contrast, and Sulli who is (if it's true Hwayoung was not bullied) basically being similar to 'Hwayoung's mindset as a team member' showing that selfishness of a team member can occur in any group.

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  180. [INSTIZ] The girl group with the best determination
    http://net-ara.tumblr.com/post/99512892243/instiz-the-girl-group-with-the-most

    Other- Collection of proof that Hwayoung wasn't bullied
    http://hyotheleader.tumblr.com/post/30319546274/rumor-vs-fact-t-ara-bullying-case-full

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  181. LMAO I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING!

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  182. 3. [+284, -81] Hwayoung deserved to be bullied.

    I'm sorry but nobody deserves to be bullied! It sucks!

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  183. She's Korean-Amerian though.

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  184. I thought this was going to say something along the lines of nothing really happening and the company just kicking her out. Nope.

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  185. Wow. You sure talking big without knowing that much. "im sure" you're reassuring yourself only based on one-time event (on twitter)

    Have you seen a fancam where hwayoung was fooling around with t-ara members? Hwayoung gropped soyeons butt seductively, or how motherly soyeon is when she feed her . Or how eunjung and hwayoung hold hands tightly because its cold, how hwayoung always wrapped her arm around boram's shoulder because she's short. There are so many details that happening under a written words such as tweets. Whether they grew apart because their determination is different or having different opinion or simply because KKS pressure them too much they split some attitude, there are just many circumstances and you chose all this because they are mean in spirit? You're sad.

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  186. Damn gyopo's ruining COREA'S IMAGE!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH COREAN HULK SMASH!

    http://www.dramafever.com/st/img/wp/2013/06/hulk.gif

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  187. That lady is a mess.

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  188. yeah, it was pretty stupid of them to do that on twitter where everyone could see them. They just gave everyone ammunition with the bullying rumors.

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  189. yeah i agree. t-aras twitter is aimed at their fans not their friends. they cant just complain about people openly. They should have known they would have got some backlash.

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  190. The company is poorly managed. And the fact that their crazy schedules and injuries is posted above like a badge of honor is ridiculous. If the members and their fans feel, performing with pain and having no recuperation time is normal and a sign of determination, then that really is sad.

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  191. The thing is no one in t-ara mentioned who. The one who revealed it is hwayoung herself. Plus its such an old topic and small issue compared to how knetz cyber bullying t-ara in 3years worth. T-ara only did for like once in a lifetime, and people there doing it everyday making t-ara look like some devil who need to go to hell. Imagine living that kind of live for 3years and still counting

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  192. Lol, the moment when hwayoung got casted as a bullied girl in a movie.

    Jiyeon looks like a bitch.... not in the bad way but her bitch face is always on point but people judge her based on her looks only, she's a nice girl even after her 'scamdal' she seems like a nice girl. I was really uoset when I first heard about the T-ara scadal, I literally spent nights re watching those so called 'proof 'of the girls bullying hwayoung just to see manipulated videos, after she joined T-ara, her entire appearance changed . At the end of the day some people don't have it in them to not be tempted by fame, but I do wish T-ara luck, they and Gg, fx and 2ne1 were the only girl groups I liked

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  193. It's the CEO's bad managing that got them in this situation, if T-ara was from YG or SM, or even Jyp, things wouldn't have gotten this bad

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  194. The company is poorly managed. And the fact that their crazy schedules and injuries is posted above like a badge of honor is ridiculous. If the members and their fans feel, performing with pain and having no recuperation time is normal and a sign of determination, then that really is sad.

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  195. I remember I was crying so hard for days thinking all of the unjustice T-Ara girls have to face, when someone who had most fault in the scandal got infinite praise by netizen like she was some angle from the sky but treated T-Ara like the worst criminal that ever happened in the world
    as a fan, knowing some of what happened during the scandal broke my heart that the girls have to lost what they've working so hard for years to achieve
    with members injured themeselves during that process but never rest and just continued with their schedule


    It was a really painful memories, and it made me cry again and again to think of it

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